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  • Andrea
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    Thank you for that!

    Yeah, I really haven’t been certain about what to do regarding this 3-10 feet thing. Because if I understand correctly what Jake is trying to teach me, it might not be so good to be switching between 4 different focal planes per day (no glasses, near work glasses, medium and distance). It might be hard on my poor visual cortex, were I to do that. On the other hand, I really don’t want to spend 30 hours a week, with glasses that are markedly too strong for what I’m doing.

    I’m looking forward to learning a lot of good information here about my visual system, and how I can adapt my current behaviors and environment to support it. Thanks again everyone. 🙂

    May 2015:
    Full prescription -7 R, -6.75 L no astigmatism
    Normalized: -6.5 R, -6.25 L
    For near work: -5.5 R, -5.25 L

    [{"date":"2016-05-09","left":"19","right":"19","both":"19"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"}]
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    Andrea
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    Post count: 46

    *Actually, after 7-8 min of no glasses pulling active focus on a street sign, I just measured 20.5 cm. Indoors with lots of natural light, but not too bright. Awesome–my best measurement yet!!

    May 2015:
    Full prescription -7 R, -6.75 L no astigmatism
    Normalized: -6.5 R, -6.25 L
    For near work: -5.5 R, -5.25 L

    [{"date":"2016-05-09","left":"19","right":"19","both":"19"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"}]
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    Andrea
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    Post count: 46

    Hi Matthew, and Jake, and everyone else,

    Again, thank you so much for your feedback!!
    It is totally why I am here.

    Yes, there were a LOT of gaps to fill in from Bates. I knew this, but I hadn’t really put together just HOW many, until I began poking around this website. Jake was addressing big, important gaps that I hadn’t even consciously realized were a problem, until I read his elegant solutions. I am tempted to start listing them, but then this would just turn into a super long post that wouldn’t necessarily do anyone any good. Perhaps later, in a separate post. Anyway, I am fine with slow progress; this program feels consciously and carefully orchestrated, and I trust it.

    So okay.
    Here are my stabilization questions.
    1. I am a somatic psychotherapist. That means I sit in a room for up to 8 hours a day, and I am intently looking at my client from a distance of 3-10 feet, depending on where chairs happen to be placed at the moment. (Which might have to do with client comfort, or whether the sun is shining directly in my window at the moment or not, forcing me to move, etc.) Since it’s somatic, not just talk therapy, we are actually up and moving around in the room sometimes, but whether or not that happens is entirely dependent on client process, not my needs.

    After learning about the homeostatic mechanism of the retina, which will scoot itself backwards to focus the image incoming from negative lenses, taking the axial length with it–I don’t feel good about using a distance prescription for *that much* medium distance looking. I’m guessing that maybe most people are usually either doing close work or distance, and that it might be less usual to have 7-8 hours per day of medium distance work. Since I’m nearly -7 diopters with lattice degeneration already, I’m loathe to spend that much time per week essentially overprescribed for what I’m doing. My driving/commuting is actually pretty minimal. I don’t want to get ahead of the program; and, at the same time, that is where the urgency is coming from–to stop the increase in retinal strain from overprescription, as soon as possible.

    So, suggestions about how to deal with this, are greatly appreciated.

    2. I am currently able to deliberately, actively pull in clearer distance images (especially black and white signs) without glasses while I am sitting and relaxing. I gained this ability suddenly, about a month before I ever heard of/found you guys, while I was alone on a self directed, glasses-free Bates retreat in the desert. When I do this, I notice my blur horizon cm measurements shift from 16.5-18, up to 20. (They were 14-15 before I found endmyopia.) At this point in the program, is it a bad thing for me to be doing this, during my 20 min glasses free in the mornings? I’m a bit loathe to give it up because it feels so good and is comforting. BUT, I believe your assertion that every step in the program has a clear reason established by your previous experimentation and success or failure, and so I intend to follow your advice.

    Me and my eyes send you guys a million thanks again.

    May 2015:
    Full prescription -7 R, -6.75 L no astigmatism
    Normalized: -6.5 R, -6.25 L
    For near work: -5.5 R, -5.25 L

    [{"date":"2016-05-09","left":"19","right":"19","both":"19"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"}]
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    Andrea
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    Post count: 46

    Hi Jake,

    I’m running off to begin another day of what’s been the craziest week I’ve experienced in a long while. (Great timing with really starting to fix my eyes, yeah? Argh.) But I got your response and I wanted to say–

    Thank you! That is really very helpful.

    You know, I’ve been doing Bates for so long now, that I had totally lost sight of the idea that low or poor light shouldn’t cause eye freak out. And in fact, my Bates coaching never even addressed this problem.

    And that is why I am with this program. Seriously. No Bates coach ever explained about focal plane changes and the delicate feedback mechanisms in the eye. It makes total sense. As a somatic therapist, I am super familiar with the traumatic effects of stuff we force our bodies to do, way beyond what we are evolved to cope with (for example, this is one of the reasons why car accidents or other high velocity impacts are so traumatic).

    Later, when my day settles down, I’ll check back in and ask a few more questions I have floating around. Mostly regarding how to transition my visual cortex and eyes out of what I’ve been doing up till this point. Which has basically been a combination of: Three or more Bates coaches; conventional optometry; and my own innovation which was necessary to fill in the (substantial) gaps between the first two–but clearly, not necessarily a good thing either.

    Anyway, thanks again very much, and I’ll check back in later regarding what I need to do now, not to get ahead of the program, but to stabilize at where I should be for now.

    May 2015:
    Full prescription -7 R, -6.75 L no astigmatism
    Normalized: -6.5 R, -6.25 L
    For near work: -5.5 R, -5.25 L

    [{"date":"2016-05-09","left":"19","right":"19","both":"19"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"}]
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    Andrea
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    Post count: 46

    Hi, and thanks as always for your suggestions and knowledge.

    I’m not a fan of swapping glasses all around either. I’m really not.
    My question above is truly one of desperation.

    My background, as you may know, involves many years of partly successful Bates work. By which I mean I believe it stopped the progression of myopia, and helped me learn that change is possible, and that this pervasive learned helplessness about our eyes, isn’t actually accurate. I also learned a lot about how the eyes and visual system work. But other than that, Bates hasn’t helped. It hasn’t actually solved the problem; and I am here because I believe your program can, and will.

    But thst history is why I already have 12 pairs of glasses in decreasing increments of 0.25 diopter. And it was previous to joining your program that I learned–again, out of desperation–thst when my eyes freak out like that, with pain and blur and strain, it feels like they don’t have a strong enough prescription for the moment, and that a temporary increase seems to stop the pain and allow me to function. Do I want to do this? No! I do not. That is why I am asking you what I should do instead. I am talking about situations in which I’m stuck in an hour long meeting and I am not able to leave, and take a walk, which I would prefer to do if I could.

    The problem is possibly worse now that I have spent 3 days seeing clients in this horrible little office with no natural light. My centimeters are still better than they were before I started exploring your website,and then joined. My first batch of measurements were 14-15 and now they are 17-18, and even 19-20 after relaxing and looking into the distance. Which I do for meditative and relaxation purposes as well as getting rid of eye strain.

    Anyway, I do want to be in sync with the program, and my desperation question relates to strain management and making sure I am not inadvertently damaging my eyes any further than decades of the conventions way have already inflicted.

    May 2015:
    Full prescription -7 R, -6.75 L no astigmatism
    Normalized: -6.5 R, -6.25 L
    For near work: -5.5 R, -5.25 L

    [{"date":"2016-05-09","left":"19","right":"19","both":"19"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"}]
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