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    Andrea
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    Post count: 46

    Hi everyone,

    So I dropped off the radar for the last week or so because all sorts of things were happening at once, and if I wanted to continue generating income I had to attend to them NOW!!

    I had to move my website to a new host (lots of screen time–aack!), forward emails and delete an old email account; and I’m in the middle of moving my physical office, and all the address changes etc. that come with that. I’m stabilizing my back (spine), which has decided (right now!?!?!) to start protesting years of slouching, so I’m learning excellent postural habits. And I’m also trying to keep track of this eye program at least a little.

    I think I did all right.
    My Snellen measurements and cm measurements this morning were unchanged. No improvement, but maintaining my usual wake-up centimeter number (about 18 cm) and about 2 cm off of my bestest ideal that happens after some distance work.

    I have noticed more blur recently, particularly at night. My eyes are clearly not delighted with me.

    I was unable to pull myself away from the screen on several occasions for the recommended breaks, though I did take more breaks, and always working with my differential prescription.

    I haven’t been able to do the distance looking I love to do, and now I see how very important in supporting my vision. I’ve been outside walking a bit, but not as much as I like to. I tried close-up active focus a few times with uncertain results, planning to begin that again very soon.

    My question is:
    That distance looking I do without glasses (described in my last post), where I can “pull in” images with much more clarity–
    Is that active focusing, or clearing double vision, or both?
    I am genuinely curious about this.

    Mostly just wanted to check in and say, I’m back at it.
    I’m expecting life to settle down CONSIDERABLY in the next week. Right now I’m going outside for a walk in the spring afternoon sunshine. 🙂

    May 2015:
    Full prescription -7 R, -6.75 L no astigmatism
    Normalized: -6.5 R, -6.25 L
    For near work: -5.5 R, -5.25 L

    [{"date":"2016-05-09","left":"19","right":"19","both":"19"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"}]
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    • Jake S.
      Keymaster
      Post count: 8757

      Hi Andrea,

      Perfectly ok to take times that aren’t habit and routine friendly, to just take a moment to observe how your vision is affected. Of course that’s more fun when you’re already making good progress, though it’s always interesting to just observe how various activities impact vision (stress, more screen time, etc).

      Double vision clearing starts off with parts of clear images that are all misaligned. You can’t really “blink” those clear, it’s more of a passive staring that resolves those. Active focus is more willful, focused, you blink, it clears (or doesn’t). What you’re describing is more commonly similar to active focus, though you really want to get a lighter version of it for close-up (less extreme, easier to reproduce and hold without feeling strained).

    • Andrea
      Participant
      Post count: 46

      Thanks Jake!!

      I think maybe what I’m doing is both??

      It is willful–I can clearly will it to happen, and those are the best ones; though sometimes it happens on its own, like a clear flash. I can kinda feel my eyes doing something, I think maybe in their front chamber, where the ciliary muscle is?

      But the clearing does happen with kind of a stare, and it always goes away when I blink.
      Sometimes it begins when I blink and begin to will the clarity. Sometimes it happens when I stare (also willing the clarity).
      Like so many of these things, it’s kinda hard to describe.

      Yes, will keep trying the closer active focus.

      May 2015:
      Full prescription -7 R, -6.75 L no astigmatism
      Normalized: -6.5 R, -6.25 L
      For near work: -5.5 R, -5.25 L

      [{"date":"2016-05-09","left":"19","right":"19","both":"19"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"}]
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    • Andrea
      Participant
      Post count: 46

      Ok. I’m pretty sure I just cleared some close up blur, actually while reading the lessons just now. That’s good. Ok, I’m 95% sure I just did it again, while pausing during typing this. Yeah!! Nailed it!! 3x!!

      Aside from that, I found myself bursting into tears as I read the lesson on taking a good look at close up habits. Why?

      Well, let’s get to the real reason I started this thread. To check in after a busy period, yes. Absolutely.

      But I also realized that I’ve felt mildly terrified and out of control over the past few weeks. I felt like I was caught up in this torrent of work and there were hours of necessary close up, and I couldn’t stop myself from just burying myself in the work and plowing through it. Which is how I generally like to do work, just really power through it, and I do have a ton of power and stamina. But my eyes don’t; and really, this method of working is truly lousy for my whole body anyway. But I fell into old habits. Despite knowing, better than 99% of Western humans, exactly what that does to my eyes.

      I’ve been under a lot of stress, with all this life/work stuff happening at once. Oh–nearly forgot. I ALSO started a new consulting job yesterday, and thus I’d had to spend several hours preparing a presentation. Which went great, but…it’s been endless close work, and lots of stress; and there were times I couldn’t stop myself from then going home and self soothing my stress with the Internet. At the expense of my poor eyes. Which makes me very sad; and which caused what I like to call relief tears: when we finally perceive safety or a solution, hence can let go of the stuffed, numbed out emotion we’ve been carrying.

      So I’ll take your suggestion to log close time for a week and begin cutting it down by maybe 20%. And definitely more outside time, which nourishes my soul anyway.

      I am really grateful for your coaching. You are totally right on it, every nuance, at least as far as my experience and quirky brain are concerned.

      May 2015:
      Full prescription -7 R, -6.75 L no astigmatism
      Normalized: -6.5 R, -6.25 L
      For near work: -5.5 R, -5.25 L

      [{"date":"2016-05-09","left":"19","right":"19","both":"19"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"}]
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    • Jake S.
      Keymaster
      Post count: 8757

      Super glad you’re enjoying the sessions, Andrea!

      They’re designed exactly and specifically for a scenario like yours. They’ve been revised a million times (not just by me, a lot of collaborations behind the scenes), and always with input from students. Most who participate fit a similar mold. Focused, hard working, intelligent, curious, all the things you probably notice reading the forum in general. We all do a lot of the same things (when it comes to our eyes), so the program evolved as a response to all that.

      I can’t make you abandon your life and become a shepherd-slash-yogi in some remote valley in Greece. So over the years I watched the program turn into more targeted nudges, quick little sessions, small adjustments, designed to deal with assertive personalities and busy schedules.

      Really, we have everything from olympic athletes, to A-list Hollywood stars, to heads of state who have done the program. The e-mail series is designed to weed out those who aren’t serious enough to put up with and read a bit (and that’s why no way to sign up directly from the site). The price is designed to weed out those who won’t make a commitment (expensive yes, but a mid spec unlocked iPhone costs about the same price in most of the world – and people find the money for those things). There’s the blog for those who have way more time, different disposition, like to DIY, not spend money, etc. Works quite nicely for that audience, too!

      Oops. Meant to be “trust it, it’s made for you”, but sounds a bit pat-self-on-the-back, now. 😉

      Love your posts, really visceral, and hopefully lots of it going in the right direction soon. Congrats on the new consulting gig, too!

    • Andrea
      Participant
      Post count: 46

      Hi Jake,

      Yeah, I think I get where you’re coming from with your response above.
      I think being a bit self-congratulatory is more than totally fine given what you’ve created and accomplished here. I have a lot of gratitude that I found this program.

      The good news is, the flurry is mostly over and I’ve been able to back off and resume regular activities. I’ve noticed that my vision is starting to clear up, even my night vision, which is still blurrier than I’d like, but better than it was a week ago.

      I got my cm back up to 20.5 yesterday, measurement taken immediately after some relaxed, glasses-free distance looking while sitting at a coffee house.

      I noticed that in the lessons you do encourage forlks to ask questions on the forum…so I guess we can file this (and me) under the “be careful what you ask for” department. 😉

      1. That thing I do that I’ve been talking about, which I now suspect is half active focus and half double vision clearing, during distance work/no glasses:
      It FEELS as though it’s helping my eyes. It feels like they’re working and actually bringing something in to clear(er) vision. I have a hard time thinking that my ciliary muscles aren’t actually doing something good, when that’s happening. But I’d like to know what you think–in moderation (which is assured of by my busy schedule), is that little thing I do, likely to be helping my eyes?

      2. I think my current differential (which is 1.5 diopters below my absolute worst day, worst case prescription of negative 7 diopters) is pretty good for when I use my laptop. But sometimes when I don’t have my laptop with me, I use my iPad, or iPhone, both of which I tend to hold closer. Should I just strive to make the habit of pushing my iPad further away from me, so that it’s closer to the edge of my diopter bubble? I don’t think I should adopt a 3rd pair of glasses for iPad use, right?

      3. So with your response above, are you saying this?
      That this program is designed for busy, strong headed independent people like me, and life happens, with all its challenges; and so, with the steady building of these new good awareness and habits, my capacity to avoid or pull myself out of major eye strain crashes, will increase?

      OK, time to get back to work. thanks as always for your support.

      May 2015:
      Full prescription -7 R, -6.75 L no astigmatism
      Normalized: -6.5 R, -6.25 L
      For near work: -5.5 R, -5.25 L

      [{"date":"2016-05-09","left":"19","right":"19","both":"19"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"}]
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    • Andrea
      Participant
      Post count: 46

      Update:
      Night vision still excessively blurry.

      So my question #4 is:
      What do I need to pay most attention to, in order to support increased clarity of night vision?

      Thanks!

      May 2015:
      Full prescription -7 R, -6.75 L no astigmatism
      Normalized: -6.5 R, -6.25 L
      For near work: -5.5 R, -5.25 L

      [{"date":"2016-05-09","left":"19","right":"19","both":"19"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"}]
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    • Jake S.
      Keymaster
      Post count: 8757

      1. Whatever it is, keep doing it! 😉 The active focus page has a ton of links describing individual experiences with it. Perhaps some of those descriptions will help isolate what you’re doing there. Either way, challenging your eyes for clarity and getting that clarity is the stimulus that will yield improvement. As you get further into it, you’ll more easily make the distinction between double vision clearing (which is a topic for quite a bit later on), and active focus.

      2. If the iPad use is occasional and relatively short, just use differential. Less focal plane changes = better.

      3. Routines and habits smooth out the bumps. Plus once you’ve got experience, none of it will be unsettling or worrying, which in turn tends to also mean less likely negative swings in centimeter or acuity.

      4. Poor night vision is due to less light, which with a focal plane correction tuned for good natural light is always going to be the result (a whole big topic about contrast sensitivity that I generally avoid to minimize confusion). The only interim solution there is to go back to previous full prescription for night time use (driving especially). No harm in it.

    • Andrea
      Participant
      Post count: 46

      Awesome! Thank you!!

      Today I downloaded this app called Moment. It tracks (adult) screen time on both my iOS devices, which I think are the most problematic for me. Really lookin forward to using that to keep nudging me off my screens!

      I meant, night vision has recently been more blurry than usual after last week’s stress crash. But I think that’s usually one of the last to clear up, if I’m not mistaken? So I think maybe helping it clear up to where it was before, just entails general good vision habits?

      May 2015:
      Full prescription -7 R, -6.75 L no astigmatism
      Normalized: -6.5 R, -6.25 L
      For near work: -5.5 R, -5.25 L

      [{"date":"2016-05-09","left":"19","right":"19","both":"19"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"}]
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    • Jake S.
      Keymaster
      Post count: 8757

      Yes. And lots of short term fluctuations that may have been there before, just gone unnoticed. More “data” (i.e. time observing) will put that in perspective.

      And night vision is where you’ll notice reduced acuity first, since with less light, less contrast available for the eye to focus, the effects are most obvious (also there is a point where your eyes just stop focusing correctly at all, with not enough light – it’s an almost sudden point where you go from things being a bit more blurry, to just no more proper focus).

    • Andrea
      Participant
      Post count: 46

      Great, awesome!

      I had indeed noticed vision fluctuations previously; but I think now that I’m actually measuring, I’ll notice them even more, with a greater degree of sensitivity and awareness.

      So the Moment app for tracking screen time works really well for me. I know it’s running in the background and it really makes me stop and think before picking up my screens. I’ll make a separate post about it, in case it can help others.

      So for today (Tuesday) I had 24 min on my iPad, 1:20 on my iPhone and about an hour on my laptop, doing work stuff (I don’t have the app there, so it’s trickier to track). So that’s maybe around 3 hrs of screen time total (and at least an hour outdoors). That isn’t too bad, is it?

      I know I can do better, though!
      One step at a time. 🙂

      May 2015:
      Full prescription -7 R, -6.75 L no astigmatism
      Normalized: -6.5 R, -6.25 L
      For near work: -5.5 R, -5.25 L

      [{"date":"2016-05-09","left":"19","right":"19","both":"19"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"},{"date":"2016-05-14","left":"20.5","right":"20.5","both":"20.5"}]
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    • Jake S.
      Keymaster
      Post count: 8757

      Yea that’s great.

      A bit more background: The program assumes that you’re lacking strain awareness (most people do). The short timed breaks (20 minutes which is slightly ridiculous) are designed to get strain awareness working again. That’s generally quite effective and once fully recovered, we increase the breaks to an hour, and eventually up to 3 hours (that’s the limit for most people).

      Since *you* aren’t lacking strain awareness, you can skip the short breaks, and just keep a little bit of track via a general centimeter idea of where you’re getting too much eye strain. You might be even past that, where you can just feel it.

      That’s the main thing. As long as you don’t end up with a ciliary spasm you can’t resolve with a little outdoor walk (you shouldn’t with a good blur horizon, natural light, and less than 3 hours of continued close-up), you’re all set.

      Remember that all of this should flow nicely with your life. If you need close-up, we don’t want to make the program feel restrictive (eventually you’ll fall out of a habit that’s not easy!). Just tweak a little, like adding a nice long distance break is way more helpful in the scheme of things, than punishing yourself with less close-up.

      Just thoughts. 😉

    • Andrea
      Participant
      Post count: 46

      Ok, so. hurrah!!
      I got my office moved and thus endeth the period of waaaayyyy too much stress and forced copious close up work.

      My cm are hovering around 18-18.5 in the AM.
      My bestest case is around 20.5 and that’s only when I am relaxing at a coffee shop and pulling focus at a distance, no glasses.

      Today I’m pretty darn certain I active focused reading the lessons. Yay.

      Soooooo….With all that: My plan is to continue to cut back on screen time, do more walking outside; and increase my active focusing. And get better at taking breaks–though actually, I rarely spend more than 20-30 min on a screen at a time. (And I’m guilty when I do that; and yet I still manage to accumulate 2.5-3 hrs/day of screen time.) 🙁

      A few more questions:

      1. My annual retina exam is coming up. I haven’t scheduled it yet. Mostly because I am still carrying intense anxiety and trauma about all eye exams, due to my father’s HORRIBlE vision problems (-14, cataracts, glaucoma and going blind) and due to the several little spots of peripheral lattice degeneration on my own retinas. I suppose I should go ahead and schedule it, just to make sure I have no further retina problems or glaucoma (which I’ve never had or been close to). But…..yikes. Scares the crap out of me. Any suggestions to help me get through this?

      2. Yesterday, I ended up wearing my differential prescription (-5.5) around all day. It was a gorgeous clear sunny day. My eyes seemed to really like it. I was outside a lot. I kept getting these….I guess I’ll call them mega clear flashes. Where everything cleared up much more clear and for longer durations and greater frequencies than I’m used to. Then, around dusk, I felt some eye strain and somI switched back to my usual distance prescription of -6.5, which was then crisp as can be; and the switch stopped my eye strain. I did it again today, same result. So…is ere any harm in wearing my close up prescription around outside on a sunny day,,so long as it feels comfortable?

      Again, thanks for all your help!!

      May 2015:
      Full prescription -7 R, -6.75 L no astigmatism
      Normalized: -6.5 R, -6.25 L
      For near work: -5.5 R, -5.25 L

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